An interview with me about Next Stop Atlantic on
Miss Rosen.
September 8, 2010
Photograph © Stephen Mallon
Stephen Mallon’s photographs of the New York City Transit Authority’s artificial reef building project make me craaazy. There is something about access to this kind of madness that gets me all kinds of excited. It’s visceral, for sure. But more that that, it’s that beyond the sheer physical response to these images, my mind starts spinning trying to get a grip on the context for these images. Subway Cars = Barrier Reefs? This must be 2010.
How did you get involved with the NYC Transit Authority’s artificial reef building project?
I had shot around Bayonne in the past and was looking for a location for a portrait shoot that had a nice industrial background. As we were scouting I spotted Weeks 297 (the number of the barge) parked there with a bunch of old subway cars stacked on top of it. I had read about the red birds being retired in the ocean but wasn’t aware that the program was still ongoing. The gate to Weeks Marine’s yard was open so I drove in and got the contact info for the yard manager who introduced me to Jason who was the senior manager on the project. Fortunately for me he is a fan of photography and so after showing him my existing work on the recycling industry he told me to come on down!
Photograph © Stephen Mallon
Photograph © Stephen Mallon
Please talk about the issues of innovations in salvation and industrial waste as they pertain to this project.
The MTA doesn’t sell any of the subway cars to the general public or to anyone that they are not sure on how they are going to be deposed of. You can’t scrap these cars without doing an asbestos abatement but that isn’t an issue underwater. The tourism boards along the east coast purchased the subway cars ( not sure how much, I heard different numbers from FREE to $300 a car, min one barge + SHIPPING which is quite expensive!) to help the sports fishing and to create interesting locations to go diving to.
What were the emotional and intellectual challenges of working on this project ?
Learning not to try to review images on a rocking crew boat! You do need to be very safety conscious on these sites, there was a moment after shooting where one of the MTA guys told me “You know those cables can break right?” Just after I had been directly under it taking a pretty picture of the underbelly. Some New Yorkers are a little freaked out seeing these images, I think because they have spent so many hours holding on to the polls in the middle of these cars so your third eye can put you back in the car and then you see a kind of Titanicesque moment of the water washing in instead of the commuters at the next stop.
Photograph © Stephen Mallon
What did you find to be the most powerful and provocative aspect of this project ?
Remember how i was talking about my heartbeat and the bulldozer? Now imagine what its like watching the bulldozer tossed into the ocean like a toy in the bathtub! Its the largest splash photography i have done to date, sports action with no athletics, just unique moments of each subway car going down. Sometimes knowing that you got the moment, sometimes praying to the photo gods that you did get it, sometimes going SHIT missed it!!!!!
How does this project fit into your larger “American Reclamation” work ?
It’s a chapter in the project. There was originally only about 5 images shot of the subway cars but after really positive response from Communication Arts (got into the photo annual in 2009!) and during the VERGE art fair in Miami, the directors at Front Room Gallery and I thought it would be good to go back and explore some more photography of the subject.
Photograph © Stephen Mallon
STEPHEN MALLON: NEXT STOP ATLANTIC
Friday, September 10 from 7–9pm
Front Room Gallery, 147 Roebling Street, Brooklyn
Exhibition continues through October 3
